Will The U.S. Ever Hit Covid Herd Immunity? Do We Have To? | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

3. mai. 2021
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Infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm joins MSNBC's Brian Williams to discuss the challenges health officials still face reaching herd immunity in the U.S. and breaks down what it would mean if that milestone is never truly achieved.
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  • How do they know if we haven’t reached herd immunity yet? Have they tested people who haven’t been vaccinated for natural immunity? Getting The vaccine isn’t the only way to reach herd immunity.

    Jade rich TvJade rich Tv4 dager siden
  • 2:53 Did you hear that everyone? "To get to a NEW sense of a NEW normal". Um, no thanks dude. We will go ahead and DEMAND our old normal thank you very much. I hope everyone realizes that at this point just because we haven't reached the classical definition of herd immunity does not mean we are not at a point where ALL restrictions should be lifted. We are at somewhere around 55% to 70% antibody levels in the US population, yet are being told we still need to wear masks (even AFTER vaccination) and many other ridiculous restrictions are not being lifted. For instance, look at the CDC's recommendation for summer campers (these are kids who don't get sick or die from this diesease in the first place)! Or, just look at how many of our children are still not in school daily, it is patently ridiculous at this point! Also, it has become extremely difficult to locate and load/read the latest studies/information on current US antibody numbers. Uo until around 3 months ago you could easily find this information but as we are getting closer to the magic numbers needed all that information is impossible to find. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it is obvious they are restricting information related to the latest antibody % in our population. I'm just tired of it all. It was handled poorly from the get go, on BOTH sides of the aisle and they just won't let it go. There is hardly ANY risk in the vast majority of communities at this point. ALL restrictions should be lifted NOW.

    SuburbanHobbyistSuburbanHobbyist7 dager siden
  • Gee, Matt Christman predicted this like, 6 months ago. We'll just learn to live with it, there will be a certain level of "acceptable death" that we are willing to throw into the volcano to keep pumping out cheeseburgers and delivering back scratchers.

    Onward to DystopiaOnward to Dystopia11 dager siden
  • But when can we lift all mask wearing and social distancing guidelines?

    Daniel WagnerDaniel Wagner11 dager siden
    • ...never when the discussion everyday is Herd Immunity when what they are really after is Turd Impunity....

      Woke WokermanWoke Wokerman10 dager siden
  • If people are vaccinated, why punish us... ugh. Just open up already. Let people make their own choices. If they wanna take a risk, so be it.

    Jessica KabelJessica Kabel12 dager siden
  • Aren't anti vaxxers also likely to be some of the same people who refused to wear masks and helped make the battle against COVID more difficult for all of us?

    Steve MlejnekSteve Mlejnek12 dager siden
  • If our government will not mandate vaccination, as it should, they should at least require proof of vaccination to enter stores, gyms, schools, houses of worship, and any public building. Employers should fire any employee that refuses to get vaccinated. We all want to get back to a normal life, and these Luddites are holding us back. Get them out of society until they do this simple civic minded thing, and get vaccinated. And when the vaccines are approved for children, unvaccinated children should be kicked out of school, until their parents comply. This is all completely constitutional, see Jacobson v Massachusetts, 1905.

    Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
  • We don’t need herd immunity at the cost of peoples individual freedoms. If you don’t wanna risk it get the vaccine, you’ll be 99 percent protected from death. If someone wants to risk their life that’s their decision. We should fully open soon.

    coolguy556coolguy55612 dager siden
  • What makes anti vaxxers so bad is not only will they rake the most basic protections like wearing a mask to protect others but they pester others who are considerate. Keeping Vaccinated people from getting jobs and pestering people wearing masks. Its gone from freedom to control.

    Claire MercerClaire Mercer12 dager siden
  • "...(hope for) U.S. ... Covid Herd Immunity" motivates us, the people of America, to redouble our efforts to rapidly find out at any given moment, including even while On-Line, who among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e. pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to "Convince It Forward" for them to call their doctor and to self-quarantine per CDC guidelines in hopes of stopping this pandemic instead of having more "Mourning In America." Thus, we're hoping for the best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the "UK variant" strain(s) mutations and others like the South African, Brazilian, Californian, Texan (BV-1) & "Cluster 5 Mink" mutations rendering current vaccines no longer effective.

    HeartDoc AndrewHeartDoc Andrew12 dager siden
  • Vaccines arent going to work on the new strains.

    Howard_RoarkHoward_Roark12 dager siden
    • @Deborah Freedman No. They dont.

      Howard_RoarkHoward_Roark11 dager siden
    • So far, they do. And preventing strains that can evade immunity is the reason that everyone, over 16, must be vaccinated now! We have to get rid of all the walking incubators.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
  • Brian Williams is still employed?

    Howard_RoarkHoward_Roark12 dager siden
  • I'm vaccinated. I don't care if you said America got brainwashed.... you saw Berestein bears. lol...Google it Dufus. It's berenstain bears.

    Screen AppleScreen Apple12 dager siden
  • VACCINE is becoming MATRIX RED or BLUE PILLS.... you started to see something unusual.... new changes of the future. you don't like and others like. You future is changed to zombie apocalypse to COVID-19.

    Screen AppleScreen Apple12 dager siden
  • The left hates minorities so much that they forced their small businesses to close so that we can continue paying white-owned major multi-billion dollar corporations our money for services.

    Luis RosalesLuis Rosales12 dager siden
  • *_*HERD*_* *_*SHEEPLE*_* *_*USELESS-EATERS*_*

    AH2 AH2AH2 AH212 dager siden

    lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden

    Lulu GarciaLulu Garcia12 dager siden
  • Vaccine manufacturers have ZERO LIABILITY In case of injury or death caused by vaccines

    Lulu GarciaLulu Garcia12 dager siden
  • Covid survival rate 99.97%

    Lulu GarciaLulu Garcia12 dager siden
    • @Chris ONeill my dad's friend just died at 92. The hospital did a covid test and it showed up positive so they put that down as cause of death. Your numbers are flawed you paranoid weirdo.

      Math frixtonMath frixton11 dager siden
    • @Chris ONeill Just like all those people, dying in India. They didn't die from Covid, they died from lack of oxygen. Covid infection caused that lack of oxygen, just as Covid infections caused heart damage, that resulted in heart attacks, and clots that resulted in strokes. etc. etc. etc. But, idiots like you, say they didn't die of Covid, they died of a heart attack.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • @Chris ONeill deaths with covid

      Lulu GarciaLulu Garcia12 dager siden
    • @Chris ONeill I don't think they care. Their love ones are gone, cancer, suicides etc.. We should care because they are destroying the world and taking away all our rights and freedoms for a plandemic

      Lulu GarciaLulu Garcia12 dager siden
    • @Lulu Garcia 'only 6% died of covid as the only cause' This must be a great relief to their friends and family.

      Chris ONeillChris ONeill12 dager siden
  • What's with that stupid grin at 1:00?

    Duane BarryDuane Barry12 dager siden
  • Dont blame anti-vaxxers. They were just merely brainwashed by hollywood liberal celebrities who are anti-vaxxers

    ChrisP BaconChrisP Bacon12 dager siden
  • Turn the news off and your immune. If everyone does it....its herd immunity

    Joe WhoJoe Who12 dager siden

    greensmashgreensmash12 dager siden
  • Remember when Dr. Fauci said people shouldn’t be walking around outside without masks and then he came out and said everyone should have masks. He deliberately lied to the American people so that medical staff would not run out of masks. This freaking clown is a joke natural immunity is a more robust defense against reinfection than a vaccine will ever be heard immunity is happening that’s why cases are going down it has nothing to do with masks 500,000 people died after mask mandates wake up people

    Jim YoungJim Young12 dager siden
  • The virus has already been around to everyone. There's no way anyone alive hasn't been contacted yet. It's absurd to believe there are still people who haven't come in contact with the alleged covid-19 if it even exists. If you do the math, one person infected landing on American shores would end in everyone in the Americas infected within 2 months and that's very conservatively. It's absolutely the same everywhere else. Growth of this kind of thing is exponential. If you look at just one infected individual infecting two and then those two also infecting two each and the cycle continuing like that for 60 days, well that's definitely all the people in the Americas and more. The same would apply to Asia Europe Africa and Australia.

    Sam VimesSam Vimes12 dager siden
  • Please post the full interview. You're doing everyone a disservice by chopping up these interviews.

    Carol RehakCarol Rehak12 dager siden
  • Herd immunity takes place naturally and you don't need a vaccine which is as deadly as the virus or more so. There are now more deaths from the vaccine then there are of those who supposedly had only covid and no comorbidities. Covid-19 is nothing more than a depopulation program and power grab. I believe the vaccine will create autoimmune disease and Cancers within the bodies of most people who take the vaccine. It may take years for some people to develop these but they will develop them and the vaccines will hasten the deaths of many. We've already had children and adults of all ages die directly after taking the vaccines. In my opinion it's obvious that there's no coincidence here.

    Sam VimesSam Vimes12 dager siden
  • I'm not a lab rat.

    Dino SteaksDino Steaks12 dager siden
  • Of course not. American's are not tough enough to wear a mask or take a shot,thanks to the gop.

    Mort SnerdMort Snerd12 dager siden
  • Still pushing fear. Freaking out over a virus where 99.9% of the population will contract it and where 99.9% of the people who contract it survive.....

    evan doeevan doe12 dager siden
  • We will never get to herd immunity due to the continued existence of nut cases who failed'refused to get vaccinated, so ultimately we will all have to adjust our new normal of living with the virus. However, should any one of us want to travel over seas and the world has achieved herd immunity, then we will all be treated as potential COVID carriers, and that will be the new normal for international travelling.

    Emperor-Wild-ManEmperor-Wild-Man12 dager siden
  • stupid is as stupid does

    The Muscle Car GarageThe Muscle Car Garage12 dager siden
  • We reach herd stupidity for sure with IQ-45 and his cult

    Floda ReltihFloda Reltih12 dager siden
  • Heavenly father I pray that you keep the person reading this alive, safe, healthy and financially blessed. Amen.

    Flights and FitnessFlights and Fitness12 dager siden
  • The Branch COVIDians just won't let go of their need to destroy American economy and Bill of Rights.

    C.K. MosC.K. Mos12 dager siden
  • worthless report

    WingnutWingnut12 dager siden
    • You read it,so whats that say about you. Troll much.

      Mort SnerdMort Snerd12 dager siden
  • Don't blame antivaxxers for the fact that the scientists can't keep up with the changing variants. Be honest.

    Franchesca ONealFranchesca ONeal12 dager siden
  • I'm not trusting a vaccine that doesn't have full FDA approval. If you don't like it, that is your problem :)

    Drake CarterDrake Carter12 dager siden
    • @Deborah Freedman you are insane. Your belief that the vaccine should be mandatory is quite terrifying.

      Drake CarterDrake Carter12 dager siden
    • I'm not trusting idiots to make such important decisions. Biden should just make the question moot, and mandate vaccination.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • @Ryan Peterson exactly. It's not our job or duty to make others feel comfortable.

      Drake CarterDrake Carter12 dager siden
    • Plus people who trust big Pharma with their lives are morons

      Ryan PetersonRyan Peterson12 dager siden
    • Bingo!!!!!! People say that we are selfish but in reality we don’t feel comfortable being injected with a substance that’s not fully FDA approved and has no long-term science

      Ryan PetersonRyan Peterson12 dager siden
  • Thanks, Republicans.

    AL- BOTAL- BOT12 dager siden
    • @Paul Wilson it's the Trump supporters that can't think for themselves, bud. They can only do what pleases Trump, and they only believe Trump, and Trump is the reason that the virus ran rampant and idiots don't want to wear masks or get vaccines.

      AL- BOTAL- BOT12 dager siden
    • @AL- BOT yes it does... its very obvious since you are attempting to blame an entire political party.... you dont think for yourself, you say what you are allowed to say

      Paul WilsonPaul Wilson12 dager siden
    • @hi stay in school, kid.

      AL- BOTAL- BOT12 dager siden
    • @AL- BOT pretty obvious that it does, I can see that and im not really even republican

      hihi12 dager siden
    • @Doob Snackz no, it doesn't.

      AL- BOTAL- BOT12 dager siden
  • If selfish deluded types wont get vaxxed then no entry to my business..no vax then no travel or service or entry..nothing.

    Barry DavisBarry Davis12 dager siden
  • WOW 😳 The vaccine is the bioweapon. Specifically, the spike protein is the bioactive weapon, and it is designed to spread from person to person, being transmissible from the vaccinated in order to infect the unvaccinated. People who are injected with the mRNA vaccine are having their bodies turned into bioweapons factories, churning out spike protein particles which they shed through their mouths and skin, infecting everyone around them. The spike protein is biologically active and causes blood clots, leading to strokes, heart attacks, pulmonary embolism and infertility effects. We've finally figured out the exact mechanism of how this vaccine is designed to achieve global extermination. It's called a "self-replicating vaccine" because the vaccine spreads like a virus and infects everyone.

    greensmashgreensmash12 dager siden
  • Osterholm keeping it real once again.

    Jason HogansJason Hogans12 dager siden
  • So the pro death vaccine refusers are going to keep incubating ever more virulent variants in our forever pandemic.

    ruth depewruth depew12 dager siden
    • Their already talking about third booster shots after the second shot was a tough one.

      Jade rich TvJade rich Tv11 dager siden
    • @ruth depew according to the CDC only 6% died of covid as the only cause People are dying around the world not because of the virus, but the vaccine

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
    • @lulu111593 Lie, before the variants the death rate from COVID was 1.6 to 1.8% which resulted in over 500,000 deaths in America. Now the variants are contesting with the vaccines, and it is harder to calculate. However, most COVID patients going into ICUs now are under 50 and 22% of all new cases are in children. We do know that a large number of all cases even asymptomatic ones will lead to cardiac, kidney, diabetes problems, etc. within months of infection.

      ruth depewruth depew12 dager siden
    • 1986 National vaccine injury act NCVIA removed LIABILITY from manufacturers

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
    • Covid survival rate 99.97%

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
  • If there's a dozen worse variants at this point there could easily be a half dozen more by fall.

    Bg GuitarsBg Guitars12 dager siden
    • @Deborah Freedman you are the dangerous variant. Start using your own brain before they ban that too.

      cat videoscat videos12 dager siden
    • That's why vaccination should be mandated, to reduce the number of human incubators, generating more dangerous variants.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • @cat videos Not always, usually, and not in this case. With this virus, several of the more infectious variants are also more lethal.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • Variants always tend toward lower lethality. So even if you’re correct, it’s not a concern.

      cat videoscat videos12 dager siden
    • Pharmaceutical companies are already talking about booster shots in 6 months to a year. Medical/Science is not expecting COVID to disappear, nor did they ever.

      ss12 dager siden
  • Its intentional. Breaking America means Biden fails. Giving the reprehensible liars another shot at power. Tucker has blood on his hands.

    Susan KaeserSusan Kaeser12 dager siden
  • Awww, should have colored humpty orange 😝🤣.

    Scotch BarrelScotch Barrel12 dager siden
  • Where are all the patriots?! Right now the most patriotic act you can think of is getting vaccinated!

    Dribrom SunrockDribrom Sunrock12 dager siden
    • @Jade rich Tv No vaccine protects you 100%. The probability distribution function of not getting sick peaks when everyone is vaccinated.

      Dribrom SunrockDribrom Sunrock11 dager siden
    • Go get your jab.... Why do you care if other people get vaccinated, if your vaccinated. Aren’t you protected? Apparently the vaccine don’t work, you still have to wear a mask, and you can still spread covid.

      Jade rich TvJade rich Tv11 dager siden
    • get vaccinated then mind your own business

      Paul WilsonPaul Wilson12 dager siden
  • So we get to have this hanging over our heads forevermore. Acceptable? No! I still think the very best idea is to begin to bar entry into all kinds of places, including grocery store.

    madhabitzmadhabitz12 dager siden
    • @Deborah Freedman We have every right to remain unvaccinated. See Second Amendment, 1791.

      ghost of comments pastghost of comments past12 dager siden
    • @s Of course there can be herd immunity. Your repetition of a lie, does not make it true. Every virus, especially the RNA viruses, has mutations. Yet we have herd immunity to many.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • @Paul Wilson You don't have the right to be unvaccinated. See Jacobson v Massachusetts, 1905.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • you mean take away our civil rights? sorry i wont... heres an idea... how about you just dont go to the store and hide under your bed

      Paul WilsonPaul Wilson12 dager siden
    • @s They planned it to become an endemic from the very beginning. Straight from the Event 201 coronavirus pandemic "simulation" scenario page when the virus was released in Wuhan: "Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms. The disease starts in pig farms in Brazil, quietly and slowly at first, but then it starts to spread more rapidly in healthcare settings. When it starts to spread efficiently from person to person in the low-income, densely packed neighborhoods of some of the megacities in South America, the epidemic explodes. It is first exported by air travel to Portugal, the United States, and China and then to many other countries. Although at first some countries are able to control it, it continues to spread and be reintroduced, and eventually no country can maintain control. There is no possibility of a vaccine being available in the first year. There is a fictional antiviral drug that can help the sick but not significantly limit spread of the disease. Since the whole human population is susceptible, during the initial months of the pandemic, the cumulative number of cases increases exponentially, doubling every week. And as the cases and deaths accumulate, the economic and societal consequences become increasingly severe. The scenario ends at the 18-month point, with 65 million deaths. The pandemic is beginning to slow due to the decreasing number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue at some rate until there is an effective vaccine or until 80-90 % of the global population has been exposed. From that point on, it is likely to be an endemic childhood disease."

      ghost of comments pastghost of comments past12 dager siden
  • The Republican party is the Covid 19 of American politics, in so many different ways.

    Chris ONeillChris ONeill12 dager siden
    • Suicide is cheap you should look into it

      Math frixtonMath frixton11 dager siden
    • The news came up with that you just repeated it

      Doob SnackzDoob Snackz12 dager siden
  • There are two prevailing attitudes with intersecting results in the USA: - Resistance to gun control - Accepting a 9/11 rate of death every 12 weeks. - Resistance to vaccines - Accepting continuing death at an unknowable rate. In a very large minority there is only personal freedom, entitlement, and belief by cable TV, with no sense of responsibility to the country, no respect for government, and no belief in education by science. Until this changes, America will continue to be a country in moral decline.

    Ian McAllisterIan McAllister12 dager siden
    • 👏👏👏 Yes. Yes.

      J. C.J. C.12 dager siden
  • Health insurance companies are allowed to charge smokers higher premiums for obvious reasons. They should be able to do the same for folks that have no doctor approved legitimate health reason not to get basic immunizations including for COVID. So you won’t be forced to get vaccinations but it is going to cost you.

    Chris TeasdaleChris Teasdale12 dager siden
    • Since their is not legitimate health reason, to not get vaccinated, you don't even need that clause. Studies have shown that, even those with autoimmune diseases, are better off vaccinated.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
  • Covid 19 is about as believable as Ms Williams under sniper fire...

    realpqleurrealpqleur12 dager siden
  • So much power, so much potential. Shame on us.

    P. C.P. C.12 dager siden
  • Herd immunity is not eradication. There will always be SPORADIC cases, just like measles, HIV, chicken pox, Hepatitis, Lymn Disease and even TB. Just that there is no large scale and sustained community outbreak when Herd Immunity is ‘achieved’. Life and economy can be ‘normal’ even if there are still 10s or even 100s of cases in the country.

    Timothy WTimothy W12 dager siden
    • Maybe, maybe not. Look at smallpox. People were saying the same thing about that disease, yet it was eradicated.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
  • Pro Plague Conservatives because herd immunity would "destroy America as we know it"?

    John DodgeJohn Dodge12 dager siden
  • Its really sad that we have to depend on the dumbest portion of the population to end this pandemic. smdh

    Mr. NobodyMr. Nobody12 dager siden
    • @Dribrom Sunrock if people want to slowly destroy themselves with alcohol, tobacco, and social media, that’s their right to do so.

      cat videoscat videos11 dager siden
    • @cat videos Just because some one rule with an iron fist does not automatically make them tyrannical. In theory you can see a good hearted person that does everything for the peoples best interest. Now in reality the probability that would happen is like one in a trillion because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But you have to find a good balance between total autocracy and total anarchy. People say you can do what ever you want as long as you don't effect other people. But the reality is that everything you do effects at least some one in your community. A large majority of humans are idiots and don't understand what is best for them. Or they do understand but still indulge in bad behaviour. Just look at how many still smokes tobacco for an example. So you need laws to restrict people from totally self destruct.

      Dribrom SunrockDribrom Sunrock11 dager siden
    • @Dribrom Sunrock you could just destroy everything with a nuke. No more viruses! That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

      cat videoscat videos11 dager siden
    • @cat videos Well we have no clue what actually happens in China when it comes to the pandemic. According to the official numbers only around 4000 have died in covid-19 in China. But that number can not be true even a little bit. But it's logical to believe that they have a mush lower spread of the virus as you will get sent off to a concentration camp if you brake the rules. But the point is that you can use the law to eradicate the virus if you rule with an iron fist. It's not impossible.

      Dribrom SunrockDribrom Sunrock11 dager siden
    • Actually a hole it's over when you want it to be. Just get on with your life or just off yourself

      Math frixtonMath frixton11 dager siden
  • The way anti vaxxers minds work is they'll just pick his last sentence- We dont have to get to herd immunity to get to a new normal. More reason for them to reject vaccines.

    Amol SonawaneAmol Sonawane12 dager siden
    • It's a poison, that's enough reason

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
    • With all the variants, Science knows COVID is here to stay. No such thing as herd immunity. Just like no herd immunity for colds and flu. It really wasn't ever expected to be about eliminating COVID, The 2 weeks was for getting hospitals ready, 1 year later, Are hospitals ready yet? Last summer we had up to 83 COVID hospital cases in my county, No danger of running out of ICU beds. Last month we had 8 COVID cases in hospital, yet we were supposedly only at 23% ICU availability. The numbers don't jive at times at all. And BACKWARDS to protect the vaccinated. No point in vaccines if the vaccinated need to be protected More than the unvaccinated.

      ss12 dager siden
  • 2018: Everyone, eat Tide Pods! Its super cool and funny! 2021: Get vaccinated? Are you insane, there's no way Im putting that in my body! This is America....ain't it sad

    LonestarLonestar12 dager siden
  • No, because of all the ignorant dumbsh*ts out there. It's still "protect yourself".

    GevowavemagnetGevowavemagnet12 dager siden
  • I hate all that supports trump. When I say hate, I mean it.

    I'm Your Huckleberry.I'm Your Huckleberry.12 dager siden
  • MAGA is a wholly owned subsidiary of Russian intelligence

    Timothy MTimothy M12 dager siden
  • This reporting is false......AMERICA ALREADY HAS HERD IMMUNITY

    jersey carvynjersey carvyn12 dager siden

      jersey carvynjersey carvyn12 dager siden
    • Can you please cite your source for that claim?

      Tom KTom K12 dager siden
    • Exactly

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
  • We need tort reform to ensure costs of externalities are properly borne by the person engaging in damaging behavior. When it costs a lot of money to be dumb, some people might grow new brain cells. You ought to be free to do dumb things provided you pay for them in full. Right now, if I get sick because of an unvaccinated person, I can't sue him because he doesn't owe me a direct duty and it's hard to prove causation. If reform doesn't happen, then to be completely honest, it's hard for me to be more than slightly annoyed if the government just decided to downright assault your arm with the vaccine.

    tetleydidleytetleydidley12 dager siden
    • We'd tie up the courts, trying to sue our way out of this. Vaccination should just be mandated, as smallpox vaccination was in the past. It's totally constitutional, and these jerks don't have the right to endanger everyone else with their stupidity. Claiming you have the right to go unvaccinated, is like claiming you have the right to drive blindfolded, on the wrong side of the freeway. You don't! That was already decided in 1905.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • You're an absolute psychopath.

      Fine CabinetsFine Cabinets12 dager siden
    • 😂🤡

      MetalcorekidMetalcorekid12 dager siden
  • Exactly why the Biden administration should have planned for not enough people being willing to vaccinate. They knew this was a problem and did nothing. There should be punitive measures for people not willing to vaccinate then. I'm vaxxed and the vaccine is free and available for everyone. I'm not wearing a mask after June to protect others who simply can refuse to get a vaccine. This ends one way or another.

    ItsStillRealToMe DamnItItsStillRealToMe DamnIt12 dager siden
  • Employers, schools and insurers need to enforce the vaccinations. Expect to see it as a requirement for international flights, and rightly so.

    CJinAsiaCJinAsia12 dager siden
    • @Cathi Christian Which is why we need a federal law requiring proof to enter any business or public building. Federal law trumps state law.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
    • @Cathi Christian Then either the Biden administration needs to ennact punitive measures to override governors like him, or we are going to have to just follow DeSantis' lead and just move on with covid here to a degree. One way or another, the mask mandate ends soon. I'm vaxxed and I'm not going to keep wearing a mask when people can just freely not get a vaccine, I am not required to protect them.

      ItsStillRealToMe DamnItItsStillRealToMe DamnIt12 dager siden
    • With all the variants, Science knows COVID is here to stay. No such thing as herd immunity. Just like no herd immunity for colds and flu. It never was about eliminating COVID, The 2 weeks was for getting hospitals ready, 1 year later, Are hospitals ready yet? Last summer we had up to 83 COVID hospital cases in my county, No danger of running out of ICU beds. Last month we had 8 COVID cases in hospital, yet we were supposedly only at 23% ICU availability. Almost at the stay at home order level. The numbers don't jive at times, at all. And BACKWARDS to protect the vaccinated. No point in vaccines if the vaccinated need to be protected More than the unvaccinated.

      ss12 dager siden
    • I think that will help unless more governors like DeSantis start signing laws that make it illegal to require proof of vaccination. Yep, he just did that.

      Cathi ChristianCathi Christian12 dager siden
  • Yes we will, and it will be when all the anti-vaxxers begin to die off after catching the virus. I know I'm not the only one who will have no sympathy for those who don't want to wear masks or get a vaccine, they didn't have that concern for us. I hope they do get the virus, their demise will be much quicker and less suffering that way.

    HankakahHankakah12 dager siden
  • To Deep State, I do not give consent! I have never given you consent. I will never give you consent. The karma on what you do to me or anyone will fall hard upon your shoulders! The karma will play thru and you all will not like it.

    Eve ThesecondEve Thesecond12 dager siden
    • If the government does the right thing, and mandates vaccination, your consent is not needed.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • And the karma on you willing to let people die will fall hard upon your shoulders.

      Skippy SkippersonSkippy Skipperson12 dager siden
    • Wtf are you talking about you weirdo?

      Timothy MTimothy M12 dager siden
  • It's ironic that Trumpers and other ignorant folks endlessly complain about masks and closed schools and businesses but they are unwilling to be part of the solution. Instead. they insist on having big parties and infecting and killing their parents and grandparents. To bad it isn't isolated to just them. Their killing as many people that agree with them as don't because a VIRUS doesn't care who you voted for.

    Mike MMike M12 dager siden
  • Yet another war where America's called it a draw and walked away despite high casualties and trillions of dollars. Winning conservative style, "We were loud and macho and expensive - Hoo-rah!"

    Eric WadsworthEric Wadsworth12 dager siden
    • It is strange how conservatives can research all the steps that were taken to put us in a pandemic, like the funding to make a more contagious strain of coronavirus at the Wuhan lab leading up to the pandemic, or the billionaire megalomaniacs holding a coronavirus pandemic exercise just one month before the first cases are reported in Wuhan.....but liberals do zero research of their own and just listen to MSM propaganda being fed to them.

      ghost of comments pastghost of comments past12 dager siden
    • More like a bunch of worthless cowards. Maybe the vaccine will grow them a spine!

      ItsStillRealToMe DamnItItsStillRealToMe DamnIt12 dager siden
  • When Canada gets hold of this pandemic within their border - and the Canadians will - I don't think many Americans will be allowed to enter. Ditto Mexico. That would be the headlines in the coming years - Americans being refused entries into much of the world.

    Waryaa WariiriWaryaa Wariiri12 dager siden
    • well both of those countries are sh*tholes anyway

      Paul WilsonPaul Wilson12 dager siden
    • You know, which country, in there right mind, would want any of these weird, fascist anti vaxxers? It's easy, if you don't want to be vaccinated, you can't travel overseas or to other countries, & short term, most countries will most likely insist on vaccinated only visitors initially.. The only problem is when you're visiting the US as the vaccine isn't 100%.

      Jonas PJonas P12 dager siden
  • 2023 or 2024 things will begin to change direction and look more normal to us all. However vaccines every 9 to 12 months and upgrade to align with new varrients. Booster shots might be required now and then. Unfortunately C19 is not the tsunami of viruses, there will be others. Not if the question is when. History always repeats itself. Sars in 2003 was C03. All viruses come from animals....

    You Know Crime Don't PayYou Know Crime Don't Pay12 dager siden
  • American Spirit: "There's nothing we can't do!" Herd Immunity: "Oh, hello there." America: "We quit."

    Ro GRo G12 dager siden
    • @s Herd immunity is an concept, not a science, and that concept has always proven true. When there are insufficient naive individuals, so an infectious disease cannot spread, that disease is halted. It has worked with countless diseases, and there is nothing that indicates it is a false concept.

      Deborah FreedmanDeborah Freedman12 dager siden
    • There is a difference between what America is capable of, and what Republicans are capable of. If Nixon had been in the White House, we'd still be waiting for a man on the moon.

      Chris ONeillChris ONeill12 dager siden
    • Herd immunity is a false science. With all the variants, Science knows there isn't going to be any herd immunity, just like with colds and flu. And BACKWARDS to protect the vaccinated!!!

      ss12 dager siden
  • We should start shaming everyone who doesn't get a vaccine and call them out for their ignorance.

    NezzeroNezzero12 dager siden
    • @Jessica Kabel evil heart you have

      lulu111593lulu11159312 dager siden
    • Schools should require it and other places

      Jessica KabelJessica Kabel12 dager siden
    • if you do that, you are a fascist

      Paul WilsonPaul Wilson12 dager siden
    • @Lonestar Yeah? Hope in humanity was lost LONG AGO when a package of toothpicks came with DIRECTIONS

      LazyBlazyLazyBlazy12 dager siden

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